A fair few questions were asked at the last District Council session around the selling off of the Drill Hall at Port Royal:
Futures Forum: Plans for Port Royal: questions raised at full District Council meeting > press reports
Members of the public also asked some pertinent questions:
EAST DEVON DISTRICT COUNCIL
Minutes of the Meeting of the Council held at Knowle, Sidmouth, on
Wednesday, 25 July 2018
The meeting started at 6.00pm and ended at 6.42pm
20 Public speaking
The Chairman welcomed those present and invited members of the public to
address the Council.
Gillian Mitchell had submitted a question in advance of the meeting, asking:
“Can the Council please confirm the extent of the land and buildings that are
actually included in the proposed sale? In a meeting with JLL on 3 July, JLL's
representative indicated that the Council would look favourably on proposals that
included the site of the toilet block adjacent to the Drill Hall with the potential to
relocate the toilets into any proposed development of the Drill Hall site itself. Does
this mean that the Council is marketing an area larger than that occupied by the
Drill Hall and the confines of its existing boundary fences?”
In response, the Chief Executive said:
The council has commissioned JLL to manage the marketing of the Drill Hall site
and it is JLL’s remit to work with potential bidders. It is the Drill Hall that is the
asset for disposal. If however proposals come forward that also include part or all
of the toilet block as part of securing their provision then these will be assessed as
part of the process for determining what may constitute the best value offer.
Gillian Mitchel asked a supplementary question to clarify whether bidders would be
encouraged to include an element of the toilet block as a toilet facility would be
key to any adjacent development.
In response, the Chief Executive reiterated that the drill hall itself was the Council’s
asset which was to be disposed, but that the Council was not closed to any bidder
including land outside of the Drill Hall with any bid.
Stephen Pemberton had submitted a question in advance of the meeting, asking:
“This question is in relation to the sale of the Sidmouth Drill Hall. The press
release issued on 28 June says that: ‘Exeter-based JLL, who are experienced in
commercial property, are the new appointees and on their advice the council will
be marketing the building to non-commercial organisations immediately giving
them a longer period to come up with their proposals, and the commercial property
sector for a shorter period of time from the autumn. Local community groups who
may be interested in the site can approach JLL for guidance about the information
required from them, if they want to put in a bid in six months’ time.’
“Can the council confirm when marketing material regarding the sale will be
forthcoming and when JLL will be in a position to provide guidance about the
Meeting of the Council 25 July 2018
information that will be required from bidders? To date no such material has been
provided and very little guidance offered, despite being almost one month into the
process. Indeed, access for surveyors is only being made available from 26 July
onwards and confirmation of this access is not yet forthcoming from JLL.”
In response, the Chief Executive said:
Our agents, JLL, are preparing guidance documentation to be issued shortly. To
be clear, at that point in time the three months head start for community and noncommercial
bid preparation will commence. Surveyors for at least one interested
party are being given access to the site and there has already been contact
between JLL and interested parties.
Stephen Pemberton asked a supplementary question, as to how the Council could
ensure that a bid is not discriminated against, especially when evaluating the bids.
He clarified this in terms of both market value and community value.
In response, the Chief Executive explained that the assessment process would
involve councillors from both the District and Sidmouth Town Councils alongside
JLL representatives and Council officers. It was confirmed that the process for
evaluating the bids was currently being prepared.
EAST DEVON DISTRICT COUNCIL - Minutes of the Meeting of the Council held at Knowle, Sidmouth, on Wednesday, 25 July 2018
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Councillors had earlier asked questions, which were given written answers prior to the meeting:
East Devon District Council meeting on 25 July 2018Agenda Item No 8
Futures Forum: Plans for Port Royal: questions raised at full District Council meeting
They proceeded to ask supplementary questions during the meeting itself:
*24 Questions (Procedure Rules 9.2 and 9.5)
9 questions had been submitted in accordance with Procedure Rule 9.2 - the
printed questions and answers were circulated prior to the meeting.
Councillors
submitting questions are entitled to put a related supplementary question
(Procedure Rule 9.5). The response to the supplementary question asked is set
out below.
a) Question 1 – The supplementary question queried the lack of reference to the Port
Royal site being in a conservation area and sought confirmation that all aspects of
the assessment of the development would include conservation concerns.
Included in the question was reference to the Drill Hall, asking if it was possible at
that stage to consider another use for the site.
In response, the Chief Executive agreed that it was correct to include reference to
the site being in a conservation area. In relation to the Drill Hall, there would be a
six month submission period (an initial three month head start for local community
bids and then a further 3 months when private sector bids could be progressed)
for tenders to be received; assessment will follow after that period.
b) Question 2 – The supplementary question was if JLL would get paid by the
Council and by their client tendering for the Drill Hall.
In response, Members were told that JLL had been instructed by the Council, and
therefore the Council was their client in relation to this project.
c) Question 3 – The supplementary question related to statements on the condition
of the structure of the Drill Hall in relation to safety and asbestos without surveys
having been carried out.
In response, advice was given that the Council as owner undertook periodic
condition surveys of assets and referred to the answer already provided in that it is
up to potential bidders to satisfy themselves of the condition of the building.
d) Question 4 – The supplementary question asked if a figure of £600,000, which
was commented as referenced several times, could be confirmed as the valuation
for the Drill Hall.
In response, the Chief Executive was clear that there was no set figure, and
reiterated the process of assessment and recommendation to Cabinet on the
asset.
e) Question 5 – The supplementary question concerned what element of
incorporating community concerns and wishes would be included in the
assessment criteria of tenders for the Drill Hall, and who would be involved in
those assessments.
In response, the Portfolio Holder outlined the bid process for the sale of the Drill
Hall and highlighted there would be a scoring matrix which would include aspects
such as the quality of the submission, environmental factors and sustainability
alongside price. Recommendations on the bids in accordance with their scoring
(the core group, consisting of councillors, JLL and officers, agreeing the criteria
and scoring matrix) would be reported to the Asset Management Forum for further
discussion and recommendation to Cabinet for the final decision. He felt that this
was a fully democratic process for consideration of the tenders received.
f) Question 6 – The supplementary question asked was were other agents had been
asked to bid or were the wrong agents asked to bid to act as the agent for the
marketing of the Drill Hall; as she felt that it was “Hobson’s choice” to have JLL
selected as agent.
In response, it was reported that 5 agents were invited to apply to bid to act as
agent for the Council. It was up to those agents to decide if they wanted to take
up that invitation.
g) Question 7 – The supplementary question contained a statement that there was
no evidence on the success of the Premier Inn at Exmouth; and that she had been
told the decision to appoint JLL was made by Cllrs Barratt of EDDC and Turner of
Sidmouth Town Council, on advice from Town Clerk and EDDC’s Deputy Chief
Executive. The question was if the contract had been signed by the Council’s
legal advisor and that the Chief Executive and Deputy Chief Executive were happy
to work with JLL again.
In response, the Chief Executive confirmed that he was happy to work with JLL
again, and the contract has not yet been formally signed but the documentation is
being assessed.
h) Question 8 – The supplementary question suggests Council does not understand
what a conflict of interest is, and it is key for an agent to avoid any appearance of
conflict. Given that no potential bidder can trust the probity of the process, will the
Council now immediately terminate the contract with JLL, and appoint anther
agent with no such conflict.
In response, the Chief Executive made clear that he was happy for any seriously
interested parties to approach with their idea of how to acquire or develop the site,
and those will be considered transparently, in an open process, where they will be
treated equally.
i) Question 9 – In response to the supplementary question, the statement was made
that lip service had been made to the concept of community bids for the Drill Hall.
Marketing of it commenced at date of the press release, with a set end date in
January in that press release. The question was why is the Council dodging its
responsibility of handling this sale in the public interest, and in the highest
standards according to the Council’s duty of care?
In response explanation was provided again that the process is in hand, and reiterated
the 6 month period for submission of tender (an initial 3 months for the
community led bids then a joint 3 months with private bids). JLL are handling this
on behalf of the Council and will ensure that all submissions are dealt with fairly;
the Council has given advance notification of the submission process coming up;
and reiterated that the period for community led submissions has not yet started
as paperwork for it is not yet ready to supply.
EAST DEVON DISTRICT COUNCIL - Minutes of the Meeting of the Council held at Knowle, Sidmouth, on Wednesday, 25 July 2018
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